Curse

countesscorpula · Jul 03, 2007, 12:29 AM // 00:29

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Originally Posted by Oofus

Personally I think you're just looking for an argument (hence the term “trolling”), nobody else thinks "they way they used to be" refers to a 2 day glitch rather then the 16 month stability that used to exist like you seem to.

OK, so I point out a potential flaw in ONE of your suggestions. You vehemently deny that such a flaw is/was possible, and flame me and anyone else who says anything contrary to your (obviously limited) perceptions. And I'm the one looking for an arguement? If you can't follow that the bug allowing people to salvage bonus items directly relates to this thread and the suggestion I critiqued, then you are too ignorant to bother with. It's been explained for you many times, by multiple people, and if you still don't get it, at least i can hope the Dev team does.

Oofus · Jul 03, 2007, 02:48 AM // 02:48

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Originally Posted by countesscorpula

OK, so I point out a potential flaw in ONE of your suggestions.

It was NOT one of my suggestions at all. You keep pointing out a flaw in a solution that NOBODY ASKED FOR. Get that through your head please. Since you refuse to acknowledge that fact, I will not respond further to your blatant attempts to continue an argument that holds no validity.

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Imaginos · Jul 03, 2007, 09:04 AM // 09:04

/signed.

I'd like to see the preorder/goty items brought up to spec with other items. I also think that some of them really need to be redone anyway

GotY

Rhino's Charge: Add some sort of grip, like health or armor.

Wolf's Favor: Replace halves casting time with reduces recharge. Monk spells are almost all very short casting time as it is.

Soul Shrieker: Change it's requisite to either Death or Blood, or Soul Reaping.

Preorder

Some of the requirements for these items are....unkind. They should all be max weapons as well with the requirements on these things. (note I have none of these, so it's not like some personal deal here

).

As it stands these items are sub par compared to later chapters and the requirements are way too high for lowbies as it is. This was mentioned by someone at ArenaNet some time ago in a chat but for the life of me I can't remember who

but it was some time ago, it was when they were talking about the new preorder items with factions I think.

Ithas Bow: Needs a string added of some sort.

War Pick: Needs a haft of some sort, like Furious. Damage should be max.

Censor's Icon Needs max energy.

Canthan Targe Lower prime req to 8 and max the AL. Interesting combo here I must say.

Bone Idol Needs max energy, armor could be raised to 6 to be on par with the monk item and health to 40.

Chimeric Prism This is an odd one. Probably boost energy by +3 for the caster parts. That way it would actually have something over a normal focus for casters who are not monk primaries and wouldn't give wars/rangers more then +5 en.

and for the caster weapons I still prefer HSR over HCT

but that's just me.

deluxe · Jul 05, 2007, 05:41 PM // 17:41

Lets keep this thread alive, hope to hear some news soon!

odly · Jul 08, 2007, 03:01 PM // 15:01

So when will we be able to add a mod to those weapens again ?

Come on make them modable and unsalvageble.

You can do it !

I believe in you !

Scary Raebbit · Jul 10, 2007, 02:04 AM // 02:04

Don't care if the mods change or not, just want to be able to add and/or change them.

Pkest · Jul 10, 2007, 02:35 AM // 02:35

According to a thread about the prerelease pack for GW:en, EBgames shows the stats of the weapons that come in that pack. It specifically notes that the two weapons that are missing one mod can be upgraded while the staff that has all of it's mods can't be. So maybe they will make that system universal over all the bonus items. Not quite as good as they used to be when you could change the basic mods but better than nothing.

Here's hoping...

Neo Nugget · Jul 10, 2007, 02:49 AM // 02:49

From that thread

Purcase Guild Wars: Eye of the North and receive:
# Beta Participation in the Head Start Beta event in August
# THREE in game items
- Glacial Blade Cold damage: 15-22 (Requires 9 Swordsmanship)Damage +15% (While Enchanted) Special Note: This item can be upgraded with a Sword Pommel
- Darksteel Longbow - Piercing damage: 15-28 (Requires 9 Marksmanship) Armor penetration +20% (Chance: 20%) Damage +15% Energy -5 Special Note: This item can be upgraded with a Bow Grip
- Hourglass Staff Energy +15 Fire damage: 11-22 (Requires 9 Divine Favor)Fire damage: 11-22 (Requires 9 Fast Casting)Fire damage: 11-22 (Requires 9 Soul Reaping) Fire damage: 11-22 (Requires 9 Energy Storage) Fire damage: 11-22 (Requires 9 Spawning Power) Halves skill recharge of spells (Chance: 20%) Halves casting time of spells (Chance: 10%) Health +45 (While Enchanted) Special Note: This item cannot be upgraded
# Guild Wars Early entry into specific game area - 3 days ahead of release
# Tabula Rasa "Preferred Friend" access to the Tabula Rasa beta sign up
# Guild Wars 10 day - 14 hour (which ever comes first) game trial of ALL 3 Guild Wars games

Cymmina · Jul 10, 2007, 11:26 AM // 11:26

You're crying over items that at least has perfect mods, when those of us who preordered the original GW box got the most craptacular items ever? Yeah, my Iratha's Bow is only suitable as a pulling weapon I can conveniently throw away once I'm overloaded.

Oofus · Jul 11, 2007, 12:20 AM // 00:20

Well, it's been 10 days since Gail posted in here, but no follow up about this yet. It would be nice to know if ANet will resolove this issue, or if they simply plan to keep ignoring it.

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Originally Posted by Neo Nugget

# THREE in game items
- Glacial Blade Cold damage: 15-22 (Requires 9 Swordsmanship)Damage +15% (While Enchanted) Special Note: This item can be upgraded with a Sword Pommel
- Darksteel Longbow - Piercing damage: 15-28 (Requires 9 Marksmanship) Armor penetration +20% (Chance: 20%) Damage +15% Energy -5 Special Note: This item can be upgraded with a Bow Grip

Yet going back to this system for bonus items that already exist is a problem why? This should have been fixed within a week of it being bugged, there really is no excuse for this.

Blackest Rose · Jul 11, 2007, 12:45 AM // 00:45

Given the happenings of the last week maybe we should expect a Gaile response such as the following :

The GOTY items will be fixed, they will be fixed between Oct 1st and Dec 1st sometime. They will be fixed for FREE!!!

All you have to do to be entitled to this FREE upgrade is to spend 7 billion dollars in the in-game store on stuff you already own.

Sorry I couldnt resist.....

On a completely serious note - /signed
We know this is technically possible.

I would vote for making them 100% modable but not salvageable - salvageable is like getting free income which I don't think is fair

VitisVinifera · Jul 11, 2007, 03:18 AM // 03:18

I have a feeling this will be another Gaile promise unfulfilled. Would love to get some use out of my Captain American Canthan Targe.

Where's the update on new acquisition methods for regional pets? I recall Gaile stating there would be news on that.......a month or two ago.........

what a mess

Lluvia · Jul 14, 2007, 01:17 AM // 01:17

/signed

I think it's a shame that most of these really good looking items are nearly useless. My boyfriend bought the GotY weapons in the ingame shop without knowing their stats. He created them once and never again. If they fix this, I'll definitely buy them too, but at the moment it's just a waste of money.

The GWEN preorder weapons seem to be modable again, so there must be a way to upgrade and salvage only a specific modifier without being able to salvage the inherent ones. Then it shouldn't be much effort to fix the existing bonus items.

Fixing the missing mods is a must, but fixing the inherent mods should also be done. All the items with really senseless mod combinations are already listed here, so I won't list them again. I have the prophecies preorder and never ever used this silly "censor's icon". It's so useless I can't even put it in words...

jhu · Jul 14, 2007, 02:54 AM // 02:54

It's silly that I bought Prophecies without knowing that I got the GOTY edition, so I didn't even know about the bonus items until about 2 months after I started playing! Then I find out thinking how great it is to have max weapons in pre-searing. And now I find out these things were better before? Wow, how much longer do we have to wait before they fix this?

Gaile Gray · Jul 14, 2007, 04:32 AM // 04:32

Sorry, I have not been updating when I had nothing to add. I mean, there are enough posts in which I need to be active that I cannot daily give updates on those for which there is no change.

As it turns out, the developer most involved with this matter was not aware of changes made by someone not as directly involved in the matter, when we had to make changes to close an exploit (mentioned in this thread).

So an update that was put in place did more than was intended, and I heard tonight that this should be corrected quite soon. Yes, I did ask about this a bit ago, as promised, and the specific cause of problem has now been identified, after some research time, by an item expert. I don't know a timeframe, but the designer involved is very diligent, and I would expect this to be fixed pretty soon, perhaps within a couple of weeks.

Note: I do not think that we will be changing the early preorder items. I asked specifically about that, and Mike O'Brien said that it would not be wise for us to make changes to items that people have been using for some time. For surely if we do, people who are accustomed to using them in a specific way, as mentioned even in this thread, will be upset with the changes. So I thought maybe we could give them a "boost," but that wasn't seen as a wise decision after all.

pork soldier · Jul 14, 2007, 05:14 AM // 05:14

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Originally Posted by Oofus

nobody else thinks "they way they used to be" refers to a 2 day glitch rather then the 16 month stability that used to exist like you seem to.

I think you're failing to understand the order of events here, let's use the spiritbinder as an example and lay them out:

for some time the spiritbinder has 1 of 2 mods set, the other can be added.

for 2-3 days the spiritbinder can be modded and salvaged, this includes the perfect insightful head - other preorder items can be salvaged for any mods they include.

patch arrives to fix salvaging perfect mods for free, pre-order items are no longer salvageable OR moddable.

Here's the problem: the items were never made moddable again, they've been crippled for months. I used to /bonus and grab a spiritbinder then throw a wrap on it when I needed a random staff for someone - now I don't bother, I just go grab a collector staff because I have 5 or so insightful heads in storage at any time.

Here's the problem, we've all paid for things that were very useful for a while and then totally ceased to be useful at the same level.

Oofus · Jul 14, 2007, 05:18 AM // 05:18

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

I heard tonight that this should be corrected quite soon .....perhaps within a couple of weeks.

That is great news indeed Gail. Thank you for taking the time to see to it that this issue was addressed properly, I am sure we all appreciate your efforts in this matter.

deluxe · Jul 21, 2007, 12:39 AM // 00:39

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Pre-order and promotional weapons that contain open component slots can once again be enhanced with upgrade components. These upgrades cannot be salvaged from the weapon once they have been applied.

YEAH! Months and months and months of whining finally paid off!!!!

Oofus · Jul 21, 2007, 02:25 AM // 02:25

Nice!!!

Thank you Gail for bringing this to the attention of the powers that be and seeing to it that this was finally resolved.

VitisVinifera · Jul 21, 2007, 02:51 AM // 02:51

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Originally Posted by Gaile Gray

Note: I do not think that we will be changing the early preorder items. I asked specifically about that, and Mike O'Brien said that it would not be wise for us to make changes to items that people have been using for some time. For surely if we do, people who are accustomed to using them in a specific way, as mentioned even in this thread, will be upset with the changes. So I thought maybe we could give them a "boost," but that wasn't seen as a wise decision after all.

Are you including the old Prophecies pre order items......you know, the ones with cool skins but aren't even max damage / max armor?

How would it not be wise to bump them up to normal max damage and armor? My old Canthan Targe is a distant memory........how can it hurt to make them normal in this way?

For example:
Old Canthan Targe
Armor: 14 (Req. 10 Tactics)
Health +30 (Req. 8 Strength)
Energy +2 (Req. 8 Swordsmanship)
Energy +2 (Req. 8 Axe Mastery)

New Canthan Targe
Armor: 16 (Req. 9 Tactics)
rest: the same

Old Itha's Bow
13-25 Piercing Damage (Req. 10 Marksmanship)
Damage + 20% (automatically comes customized, so this isn't really a mod)
Armor +5 (Req. 10 Marksmanship)

New Itha's Bow
15-28 Piercing Damage (Req. 9 Marksmanship)
Armor +5
and open slot for bowstring upgrade

So, Gaile, who could *possibly* be upset with updating the old Prophecies pre-order items? How would *not* giving them a "boost* be a wise decision?